Indeed. Also the usual criticism about education not being adequate training for the workforce bla bla is simply because education is not to train a worker in the first place. There's no way to train someone other than to let them do the damn job. Yes teaching mathematics and reading and writing is probably a prerequisite but how is Shakespeare relevant? It's just a confusion of two things: learning for the sake of learning, and learning for the sake of employability.

I'm not arguing for one or the other. I'm just saying that I would also hate it if university CS for example just became a web bootcamp to churn out as many code monkeys as fast as possible. There is a place for just vocational training, and there is another place for a more platonic kind of learning, and just sending everyone off to university and tying employability to a degree is really stupid.

Alas it can't be fixed now, because 1. For profit universities 2. HR needing a quick filter 3. States needing to standardize some kind of path for kids

I would say it's the carrot and stick play, they're really good at it. Outsiders/foreigners only hear the things about fines and caning and the death sentence and no chewing gum. But they don't see the carrot part. For example they give conscripts something like a 401k top up and some other benefits to attend their reservist trainings. Of course if you don't turn up it's probably jail or some shit. They also pay them to keep in shape through PT exams, and they also reimburse your salary for the time taken. Conversely if you don't turn up there's a fine or some tedious make up sessions.

The CPF funds actually remain in your account, and the interest goes back to you. 1. The interest is guaranteed unlike a regular investment, and 2. I'm interested to know what to invest in to get better interest than CPF, because that's a very legit benchmark here, so please tell me if you find something that has guaranteed returns + higher interest.

What's your source on the yield delta? In fact if you bought regular Singapore government t bills you will actually get a lower rate than the CPF rate. And neither do banks and saving plans give higher rates.

A human problem will not be solved by the additional of AI. It's a force multiplier. If management is shit, it will be shittier. If you get arguments lime this during work, now you will get more, because it's so easy to port or rewrite or even create your own framework now. It's even easier to compete in the pissing match because you can just ask the AI for why xyz is wrong.

I feel like it's important to align team/org goals once in a while -- there's nothing wrong with a refactor or a port, but what's the ROI, etc etc. Yes I agree this framework is better but what do we gain, do we really need it etc

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Dividing infinity by 1m or 1b doesn't matter if it's really infinite. Just make more machines to make the machines. The existential crisis happens afterwards, and people will kill themselves off without the need for any class warfare at all. In fact the owner class will die first since there will be no more conception of ownership, since everything is supposedly abundant and at your fingertips.

You really believe today's billionaire class will just give up their power over the populace? A world of abundance means the billionaires are irrelevant because everyone would have access to everything and they would never let that happen.

They will hoard the resources, land, anything that is needed for people to stay alive.

Your argument seems to be boiling down to, there's no point to improve quality of life because billionaires are just going to hoard all the improvements.

Surely the problem with that is the billionaires, not the world of abundance though?

I am also fairly certain that if we do arrive at some abundant utopia where you can wish for anything can have it arrive, society will collapse. It's just bringing up 7 billion (probably more) spoiled brats at that point of time. Work on its own is also a form of "social control". Idle hands are the devil's tools etc.

Imo instead of no-strings-attached UBI we should have something like the WPA. Spend ten hours a week or whatever working in local parks/schools/libraries/etc and get paid a basic living wage in return

Throughout history, big advances have come from humans having more "idle time", so we should be aiming for the population to be less busy as they can then hopefully focus on pursuing the arts or sciences.

Big advances have also come from some of the most violent, destructive wars the planet has seen.

I agree with you on principle, but I don't think it's straightforward as your point states.

Well, wars are going to happen anyway. If we abolish all idle time, it's pretty much the same as getting rid of artists, poets, philosophers, writers etc.

> big advances have come from humans having more "idle time"

A few people

Which ones?

Generally the rich.

If you can wish for anything and have it arrive, spoiled brats won't be a thing, because competition and envy for things will be pointless.

Throughout history, the hedonic treadmill has always triumphed. Competition and envy conjure their own objects.

Even if you want to allege that the proverbial pie will become infinitely large, any one person’s slice is finite. However big my neighbor’s slice might be, I can strive to make mine even bigger.

Humans being humans, they will find something petty and pointless to compete socially for or even kill each other for despite being provided infinite physical abundance.

Collapse in a sense of many existing power structures becoming meaningless, yes, certainly.

But that is a good thing.

You can't say something like that and refuse to elaborate

Sure I can, we've got free speech. :-)

That's gonna probably just create a bunch of loopholes or hacks like paying with favors instead of cash

Loopholes can be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A solution being imperfect is not a good reason to leave the problem completely unaddressed.

This by the way is my understanding of why the EU writes laws the way they do.

If they just banned infinite scrolling someone would come up with something equivalent that works slightly differently. Now they need a whole new law. It’s just constant whack-a-mole.

So instead they seem to ban goals. Your thing accomplishes that goal? It’s banned.

It’s a pretty different way than how we seem to do things in the US. But I can see upsides.

That's the same in every domain when there's a profit. Doesn't mean laws and bans don't reduce the related activity dramatically.

just the zfc axioms alone are already infinite. It's an axiom schema ranging over an infinite number of actual statements. That's just statements, without even considering symbols as you're saying.

Well you can just put the nbg instead, which is finitely axiomatizable