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It's probably the lawyers that have a say in this.


To the best of my understanding, Apple TV+ is entirely Apple original content. Considering their hard-line stance re: the original iPhone and carrier demands, wouldn't they be able to make the same requirements here?


> The people get the leaders they deserve.

No, they don't. There's no voting system that allows everyone to be represented.


What are you trying to say? That people that had "millions" went homeless? The stocks recovered in less than two years. If they didn't sell in panic they still had millions after a brief period.


Homeless you don't get in the Netherlands, but yeah, I know people who put all their money (2-3 million at least 2 of them) in WorldOnline[0] and lost it. Having to start all over at an age when they would normally almost retire. You won't end up on the streets in NL anyway, but mentally they were never the same because of that. Greed + weird optimism and then panic selling. But billions were lost in this fraud company and the signs were clear; people just thought it would go on forever and that's what everyone said in the bar. Hence the dumb buying.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Online

Edit: you say 2 years... But people bought this one as well by the millions in those days; https://www.google.com/search?q=kpn+koers&oq=kpn+koers&aqs=c...

That never recovered. While 'everyone' agreed that could never happen as this time there was no roof. And for a brief moment almost everyone believed that.

As a less localized thing; in the tech community, stocks of for instance Borland/Inprise were talked about in the same way. I don't think (but cannot find info fast) they ever recovered.


Training for what or for who?


Training for developers, presumably, especially web developers who want to build native apps. If retraining was free, Electron would have approximately no market.


Who? Whom do you think I'm talking about?


Well I as an innocent bystander have no idea what you mean either, unfortunately.


I'm also an innocent bystander!

ryacko is perfectly clearly stating that Electron reduces the amount of training that developers need. This is different from making them develop faster. It just makes them more replaceable.

I have no idea how to parse twobat's question. The "or" is especially confusing. I'm not surprised that ryacko is baffled by it.


Training is an abstract term these days. Could've meant training an algorithm, or training a person, depending on context.

Hence the training for "what" or for "who" not being immediately parseable.

Until @ryacko said "Whom do you think I'm talking about?", I wasn't sure either.


Electron gives you a UI and some standard library stuff. That's pretty obviously a totally separate issue from training an algorithm... I think? Am I missing something?

I still think asking "what or who?" with no other elaboration is really confusing. It's such a vague question that you have to guess how to answer, and it's super easy to answer it in a way that doesn't satisfy what the asker actually meant to ask.


I'm sure that if normal people try to do this they will be charged with something generic as fraud.


russian VPN or similar solves this


This doesn't matter for 99% of the population.


Does not for 99% of consumers (only because of browsers) and does matter for 75% of business users (reduced by 24% because of browsers)


TBH, the majority of the laundry list in the original article is irrelevant for 99% of the population.


In my European country precent has no power. Does in Europe as a whole?


While in most European countries, precedent doesn't have much power, it can still be used as an indicator on how to interpret law or judge how a court case would go. There is also the higher courts in most countries, which don't set precedent but can set a modus operandi for courts to follow.


People go on telling everybody about "legal" cracks because their lives are not affected.

If it meant hackers stole everything you own and worked for in your life so far you would think twice how legal this is.


A jailbreak isn't a crack, and the idea that it's a crack is ludicrous. iOS has had hundreds of jailbreaks. There's no financial incentive: it's just freeing a system.

Further, the idea that software piracy is stealing is also absurd, for an entirely different reason: copying is not stealing. Sony still had the original copies.

Beyond that: I already do release all of my source code under libre licenses. Copying isn't stealing, and I've lived my life as a testament to that.


iOS Jailbreaks are immensely valuable because they let you access the user’s data, hence why they’re literally sold for millions these days.


Hotz initially gave his for free to everyone, and I was referring to the ones that have been released for free, again to everyone. There were like five this year alone!

They aren't valuable by the metric he was measuring.

Obviously everyone knows what Apple and the various zero-day companies pay for them; no one here is stupid or unaware.


Stealing is taking someone else's property without due permission. That applies to intellectual property, it doesn't have to be physical.

Now you can use the stupid libertarian argument that you're just "moving bits around" or "moving numbers around" (and math is not illegal). But do that do much and you'll find that society's answer is to move particles of lead in your general direction, at high velocity.


I'm not a libertarian at all, actually. Intellectual property is a reasonable idea, but it only makes sense when forced upon producers instead of consumers, and a lot of what people deem as intellectual property is in reality something that should have patents on it. Patents expire, copyright doesn't meaningfully.

Stealing is taking someone else's property without permission, as you said. However, copying doesn't take it away from them, and jailbreaking literally doesn't do anything but apply a patch to your existing bits. That's the farthest thing from stealing you could imagine, and your argument falls apart with just the tiniest bit of poking.


It's just a project manager that's not worth half the salary.


Anyone that knows better: why is the share price for BA 2.75% up?


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