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>The MS Access is strong with this one.

Actually not much about Access in that. Their stated goal, OTOH, is to make an Excel like tool.

>But actually, while it's completely useless on a PC

Huh? If done right, it will be extremely useful on a PC, the same way Excel is, but as an avenue for far more programmability than Excel.

>so I don't understand why they are so insistent on pushing the 4GL / application builder approach from the early 90ies.

Because that approach is also of the 21st century and onwards.

It's rather us, programmers, who insist on dragging the conventional approach (not to mention crude text-based tools like Emacs and Vim) against the times. Besides the 4GL/application builder space left unexplored, Lisp Machines and Smalltalk environment were more advanced than what we use today in a lot of ways.



> Huh? If done right, it will be extremely useful on a PC, the same way Excel is, but as an avenue for far more programmability than Excel.

You cannot be more programmable than Excel, because VBA is deeply integrated and it already is fully programmable. The question is: how will Eve solve the GUI vs. scripting dichotomy that, in my opinion, is pervasive throughout all "innovative" programming environments.

> Besides the 4GL/application builder space left unexplored, Lisp Machines and Smalltalk environment were more advanced than what we use today in a lot of ways.

I completely agree with this.


>You cannot be more programmable than Excel, because VBA is deeply integrated and it already is fully programmable.

Well, Excel itself, just the cells, are already "turing complete" so, in once sense you cannot get "more programmable" than that either.

But I meant that Eve aims to "give better expressive power for programming compared Excel using a same-ish cell model" (so, without VBA required).




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