> Tesla hasn’t show any capacity to deliver quality cars at scale, nor provide service to them, whatever their ambitions. Combined with all their SEC problems, it’s reminiscent of Preston Tucker’s car company
What universe are you living in? Can't be the same one I'm in ... pretty cool, though, that HN has implemented a multiverse-spanning internet forum.
> What universe are you living in? Can't be the same one I'm in ...
I feel the same when I see people falling for all the marketing hype around Musk and his companies.
He’s definitely inherited Jobs’ capacity for reality distortion. But Apple is still chugging on long on that, despite years of quality and design problems, so who know how it will all pan out.
If you want to argue that Tesla is overvalued, there are perfectly reasonable arguments to be made in that vein. But comparing them (well on their way to half a million vehicles delivered) in the general sense with a company that folded after selling 50 cars is just absurd, and makes you look like a crank. It overshadows any trace of validity in whatever you're saying.
What about SpaceX? Their technical achievements are literally unprecedented, and they are dominating a market that has been the sole domain of an increasingly consolidated handful of incumbent military-industrial giants for the better part of a century. Dismissing those achievements as marketing hype is, again, absurd.
I am shaking my head in sad bafflement. Your whole schtick just reads like sour grapes, and why? If you want to have a real conversation about this stuff, you need to get over the edgy negativity.
Look, despite all your overwrought labels and name calling, I don’t have as much personally invested in Musk’s success as you do. If he lives up to his hype, great, if he doesn’t, maybe we can move more quickly into an economic reality where people aren’t so invested in cults of personality as being core to valuations.
As to Space X, I don’t fall for the notion that their engineering accomplishments are somehow solely dependent on Musk. A lot of really talented people work there and have done some really incredible feats of engineering. If those were regularly attributed to them instead of with Musk, I would have greater respect for the whole enterprise.
Whether the direction they’re pushing things, the privatization of space exploration and it’s underlying research, is a good thing, is also a separate conversation that I doubt you or I would agree on.
> I don’t have as much personally invested in Musk’s success as you do.
I don't own any Tesla products, nor do I have any direct investments in any of Musk's companies. Also, I think the guy is a literal maniac and I'd never want to work under him. I think you're far more invested in your viewpoint than I am.
> As to Space X, I don’t fall for the notion that their engineering accomplishments are somehow solely dependent on Musk. A lot of really talented people work their and have done some really incredible feats of engineering. If those were regularly attributed to them instead of with Musk, I would have greater respect for the whole enterprise.
I never said they were "solely dependent on Musk." You brought up, and I quote (with emphasis mine), the "marketing hype around Musk and his companies." I haven't mentioned Musk at all until this comment.
Reality distortion intensifies, eh? It seems that the one you're really trying to convince is yourself (via some very flimsy straw men), and it's not my job to make you see reality objectively. Good luck.
What universe are you living in? Can't be the same one I'm in ... pretty cool, though, that HN has implemented a multiverse-spanning internet forum.