"it's ok to be rowdy when you're drunk, it's expected and it's understood"
And here you've nailed the point that the OP of the first alcohol related post on HN completely missed. His repeated assertion of "drinking to get buzzed/drunk" was what riled everyone up so much - people I drink with are perfectly capable of drinking 5-6 pints of 5% beer without losing their ability to talk sensibly and act sensibly. (That's completely aside from the health considerations of regular consumption).
We don't drink specifically to get "buzzed/drunk". That's just a small bonus. Beer in the UK is worth drinking for its own sake! (The beer here in Australia, less so).
We don't drink specifically to get "buzzed/drunk".
That's just a small bonus. Beer in the UK is worth
drinking for its own sake!
That's funny of you to say, as Britons (at least in continental europe) are renown for being violent drunks (i.e. violent when drunk, not that they are all drunk & violent).
I've never actually seen any rowdy drunks in the many pubs I visited in the UK, despite the many people there drinking heavily. But then again, I never went to the rowdy pubs.
I remember being told not to wander around downtown Nottingham around 11pm (when the pubs let out) after football matches because of that rowdiness. I also think it points to the cultural nature because I never had that concern in the other parts of the UK I've visited (I spent about six months over 2.5 years in the UK, well over half of that in Nottingham).
1. Stereotypes are not always grounded in reality.
2. I suspect in this case they are probably based on british tourists in Prague/Berlin/Vienna/Budapest getting wasted out of their minds rather than britons drinking at home.
As a Briton, I can confirm that there definitely is a significant portion of Britons that do tend to binge drink to the point of becoming violent. However, whilst significant, it's still a small portion - most Britons do not, and generally if you go into a pub, even late on a Friday or Saturday, it's full of drunk but friendly and good-natured people just relaxing and enjoying themselves.
I think, in my experience, what I've seen definitely seems to support the cultural argument. One point my friends have raised is that at Football (Soccer) matches, alcohol is generally banned because of how rowdy people get, whilst at Rugby matches beer is freely served and yet it remains good-natured.
Very much depends on the pub though. VDEs (Vertical Drinking Establishments) rely on giving the customer little else to do but drink. They don't have seating or tables, which reduces the relaxed drinking that a group would have around a table; and they play loud music which reduces talking time.
That environment sounds like hell to me, but they're very popular.
And here you've nailed the point that the OP of the first alcohol related post on HN completely missed. His repeated assertion of "drinking to get buzzed/drunk" was what riled everyone up so much - people I drink with are perfectly capable of drinking 5-6 pints of 5% beer without losing their ability to talk sensibly and act sensibly. (That's completely aside from the health considerations of regular consumption).
We don't drink specifically to get "buzzed/drunk". That's just a small bonus. Beer in the UK is worth drinking for its own sake! (The beer here in Australia, less so).