>Making something people want, charging them money for it, and earning a steady profit for a long time should be seen as a successful business.
Yes. But it can only be counted as a success if your profits allow you to reduce your debt. Manufacturing goods can be quite capital intensive, which is why companies often have to take on debt to make things.
>pump up the stock price and enrich the current shareholders.
The problem here is that doing anything else as a publicly traded company is illegal. But also consider that shareholders loose everything they invested if the stock price goes to zero.
>We used to call the latter a Ponzi scheme and put people in prison for it.
The fiduciary duty to promote shareholder value often gets exaggerated in conversations like these.
Board members enriching themselves at the expense of shareholders or trying to turn a for-profit company into a nonprofit are clear violations. Using a business strategy that's arguably not the most profitable one possible is not, nor is prioritizing the long-term success of the company over short-term payouts to current shareholders.
Yes. It certainly is not as easy as the stock price and there is a broad spectrum of things which can be in the interest of shareholders, which do not relate to an immediate increase in stock price.
> The problem here is that doing anything else as a publicly traded company is illegal. But also consider that shareholders loose everything they invested if the stock price goes to zero.
Not sure if it is illegal or not, but it certainly isn't viable. Who would invest in a company that explicitly doesn't want to grow? Dividends could be an alternative, but due to how taxation works they are unattractive. They get taxed at a higher rate and I cannot control when they get paid. With investment returns from selling, I can control when I sell and pay taxes and can also turn the tax rate into the much lower long-term capital gains.
> The problem here is that doing anything else as a publicly traded company is illegal.
Sort of? It's more complicated than "get highest share price possible as quickly as possible." Plenty of companies out there are focussed on long-term, stable growth.
Many investors are happy just to take their yearly dividends. At least when these are on reasonable level. And some companies aim just at this. These could be the traditional "blue chip" companies.
They have to act in the interest of the shareholders. Certainly it is more complex than just the stock price. But certainly no shareholder sees an increase in stock price, everything else aside, as against his interest.
That's a completely different topic. I'm tired of hearing people spout about a legal obligation to grow.
If you mean "it will hurt somebody's feelings" don't say "it's illegal". Those words do not mean the same thing.
If a company earned a $1 dividend for the last five years and the stock price is $10, what is wrong with paying out $1 dividend again next year and having the stock price stay at $10?
If a stockholder wants a bigger payout they can sell their share and invest the $10 in some other stock and take their chances.
Personally, I think a $10 share that pays out $1 and is still worth $10 is incredible. It doesn't bother me at all that neither the price nor the dividend has grown. It doesn't bother me that the square meters of manufacturing floor space hasn't grown. I don't mind that the number of employees hasn't grown. It's ok that the number of SKUs has stayed the same.
Yes. But it can only be counted as a success if your profits allow you to reduce your debt. Manufacturing goods can be quite capital intensive, which is why companies often have to take on debt to make things.
>pump up the stock price and enrich the current shareholders.
The problem here is that doing anything else as a publicly traded company is illegal. But also consider that shareholders loose everything they invested if the stock price goes to zero.
>We used to call the latter a Ponzi scheme and put people in prison for it.
That is not a Ponzi scheme.