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You sound exactly like anti-EV people. I don’t need EV, it’ll be too expensive, etc, etc.

Toyota, at least historicity, is targeting mass market, where they can make affordable and reliable car. Current EV works for you? Great! But it doesn’t for many others.

I have EV and PHEV, and I won’t abandon my PHEV (big car) till battery is significantly better - I need a second big car, with a big range, that comes without any asterisks.



I think you're missing the point: "range at all costs" isn't the answer if it means tradeoffs that most people wouldn't make. As the topmost comment said, if you can charge in ten minutes, why do you need 700 miles of range? They're talking about a battery that can get you from SF to LA and nearly all the way back in one charge. Who is making that trip without ten minutes to spare along the way?

Every positive aspect to a battery (lacking some novel miracle) means a tradeoff. Faster charges? More weight. More capacity? Physically larger. Better heat management? More expensive materials. (Obviously just hypothetical examples)

To the point of the root comment, 700+ miles of range is outrageous when you can refuel in nearly the same time as an ICE vehicle just doesn't make a lot of sense. So why bother accepting the other tradeoffs? Make a battery that's 500 miles and doesn't eat through tires nearly as fast due to weight. Make a battery that charges in 20 minutes instead of 10 and make the trunk a normal size. What technical challenges painted them into this specific corner that they're not talking about?


It’s trade off at all cost, according to you. Again, just because current tech works for you, it doesn’t mean it should stop there. I don’t understand why you’re so triggered that someone may get bigger battery. And why 500 is ok why 700 isn’t?

90% of people don’t need SUVs and trucks, yet they still dominate sales.

And, 700 miles in EV, after you add all asterisks can easily become 350 miles.


You're still missing the point: I would love a battery that has these attributes without tradeoffs. But as the root comment says: the numbers here are exceptionally large, breaking the step function of progress. And they make no mention of downsides, which implies they're hiding the problems.

It's not about being "triggered", it's asking the legitimate question of whether (and specifically, which) technical problems led them to these battery properties. I think we can all agree that this battery isn't going to be a miracle innovation, or they'd have hyped its lack of downsides. That being the case, we must admit that the battery has problems (acceptable to some consumers or not) and that the regular re-hyping of this vaporware is indeed an admission of technical failure in some way.




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