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Interestingly, right now in Oxford UK is being tested a precooler for the sabre jet engine designed to power skylon spaceplanes to Mach 6 in air breathing mode (before going to orbit once out of the atmosphere with stored oxidiser).

This precooler is a crucial and fascinating bit of technology, cooling the incoming air down by 1000Kelvin in 100ms without itself frosting up, so it can be compressed and burnt. It is designed to solve exactly the problem outlined in the reddit comment. There was a fascinating BBC article about this recently:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17864782

Looks like a startup rather than 'dinospace' too, for what that's worth round here.



Why would you cool down to later compress (and heat up again)?

Sounds like a shotgun solution to the passer by such as myself

Edit: it is a shotgunsolution... They just added an old turbine after the cooler component to test it.


"Why would you cool down to later compress (and heat up again)?"

Because the efficiency of any combustion engine depends on the temperature differential between the input and the output. It cannot produce more energy than that differential (second law of thermodynamics) so cooling the input allows the engine to produce more energy, assuming the output remains the same.


but the input is 1000C, then it cool down to -700C, then the turbine compress to some 100C, then it mix with fuel and burn.

why not bypass the turbine at that point and take it easy on the cooling?


At Mach 6 it's just too hot and energetic to compress and stabley combust, as I understand. Recall that stagnation temperature is a function of the square of velocity. The reddit article says the compressor 'puts heat back in' but that's a byproduct rather than the aim. The aim of the compressor in this engine is to get enough moles of oxygen in the combustion chamber with enough moles of hydrogen to combust and produce enough thrust. You couldn't compress the air sufficiently to squeeze it into the combustion chamber if you didn't cool it a bit first.

This is my understanding based on reading what's publically available on the net anyway.


They had to develope a special fuel for the SR 71. One with very high flash point. I imagine that the temperatures at mach 6 are too high for normal fuels too.


The JP7 was also used as a coolant. The fuel was pumped around the hottest part of the plane to soak up the heat before it was burnt


Yep. Skunk works describes how they pumped it around the cockpit to help cool the aviation electronics and pilot. Just to add to the scariness of flying at mach 3+, you're also surrounded by jet fuel.


Jet fuel is remarkably non-flammable as anyone who has ever tried to light a Aga will discover


You guys hijacked a thread about a jet engine that doesn't even use traditional fuel. get with the program :D


They had to develope a special fuel for the SR 71. One with very high flash point. I guess that the temperatures at mach 6 are too high for normal fuels too.


Probably because it is a rocket engine and not a jet engine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABRE_%28rocket_engine%29




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