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Agree but doesn't explain why he would be carrying so much incriminating stuff around with him.


My theory is that he wasn’t done assassinating CEOs.

It’s the obvious answer as to why he still had the gun on him.


Assuming this (now deleted) post outlining his justification was indeed penned by the killer, he clearly had a motive to kill UH’s CEO but not others.

https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.s...


All evidence points towards this being post being fake.


That’s correct this was fake. Ken Klippenstein published the real one.


source?


Given the wealth of Luigi Mangione's family, if he's the killer, this sounds unlikely to be penned by him (or at least his own story).


Just because his family is wealthy does not mean that his mother was financially supported for her healthcare. It's quite possible that the family patriarch held the purse strings and deemed that health insurance was the line for their financial support.

I'm in a similar situation with a family member and we are spending around 4-5k/month in a variety of non-allopathic strategies for this family member's health care. However, the family patriarch has drawn the line where his financial support is in providing housing, so the 4-5k is picked up by other family members.


You can be a literal millionaire and bled dry by mounting health insurance claim denials. There is little anyone can do to protect themselves from this outcome, save for not getting sick or becoming a billionaire. The health system in the US is insanely broken.


I thought that was a very strange thing to do from the patriarch, until I googled non-allopathic and found out you're setting fire to 4-5k a month.

Its homeopathy, NOT healthcare.


Non-Allopathic in my case means we’re not dealing with the traditional US medical system. We’re not engaged in homeopathy (microdosing random molecules) at all.

Perhaps what we are doing is still considered allopathic (most strategies are informed with research a la pubmed), with an osteopathic approach (whole body).

The difference here is that we’re able to eschew traditional means (dr appointment, lab test, drug rx feedback loop) of engaging with the medical system, while engaging with non-traditional health related businesses for our own care.

For example, we’re able to validate whether genetic disorders are at play by having sequenced full DNA and matching them against known genetic mutations.

We will order our own blood tests and pay out of pocket to quest, to drive decision making. Same thing a regular doctor would do, but in a far more expedited timeline. It’s a 1-2 day process test a vit D levels to determine and adjust dosing. An average doctor might be 3 weeks out for a 15 minute appointment to write that vit D lab script, then another week out from reviewing and writing the Rx for D.

4-5k a month is the cost of what someone with profound chronic illness ends up paying if they want to do their own R&D, deal with things on their own, in a manner that ensures timeliness and the best care possible. It’s a myth that access to the brightest minds (a la an institution like Mayo Clinic equals the best care, btw)

The money is merely the average in which to access the latest tests, as quickly as possible, medical equipment normally inaccessible to the general public and test and treatment options an engaged and highly trained MD that practices something such as precision medicine might suggest at the height of their careers’ charging power.

It also helps that the patriarch is a retired MD and can let us engage with the system out of band by writing scripts for medications that would be unavailable to the average public.

When lives and suffering are on the line, and we’re in these highly compensated roles, 4-5k/month is a privilege to spend for loved ones. Much of it may be lit on fire, so to speak, in personal r&d efforts, but each of them yields a win that gets us closer to a healthy baseline.


Maybe because he wanted to get caught? Or at least expected it and knew there was no way he'd get away with it.


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"it's equally possible that he didn't have this stuff on him, but it was planted by the police themselves."

That would mean, there is a 50% chance that in general all the evidence has a 50% chance of being fake. And this is likely a bit of a exxageration.


> there is a 50% chance that in general all the evidence has a 50% chance of being fake

No, not all evidence - only the one needed for the Parallel Construction.


Imagine believing that cops don't plant evidence. LOL


You don't have to believe it never happens to believe the odds aren't 50%. It provably does happen, but 50% is a high probability.


Just because there are 2 possibilities doesn’t mean they’re both equally probable.


"it's equally possible"

The word equally possible implies equal chances for me. Otherwise it is equally possible, that the evidence was in fact planted by aliens.


I think in casual speech "equally possible" usually is taken to mean "also possible." I think most people would say "equally likely" to express what you're saying.


Thank you, I am not a native english speaker.


For what it’s worth, I am a native English speaker and I disagree with the other poster. I would interpret “equally possible” similarly to how you did.


Thank you, I suspected as much. That it is at least ambiguous.


Isn’t English fun?

I think “possible” has a less precise connotation than “probable” which suggests some statistics.


For what it's worth, to me, "it's equally possible" means "it's also possible, however remotely". I know it doesn't make sense, but, then again, neither does "I could care less".


There's already been a suggestion from Luigi that the money was planted.


Not it’s not. If they planted his back pack then surely his high profile pro bono lawyers are going to get him out of it.


How exactly do you propose to prove something (planting evidence) didn't happen?

Maybe I have too low expectation about USA interface between law enforcement and judiciary, but here in Poland there were many high-profile cases of misconduct of public prosecutors that colluded with the police. The only "proven" cases were about purposefuly destroying evidence: breaking CDs that held incriminating recordings, wiping weapons to remove fingerprints, agreeing to single version of testimony etc. They used procedural quirks to prevent defence from challenging those "mishaps" (like in one high-profile case with broken CD, they argued defence-held copy cannot be submitted, because of continuous custody requirements). Cases with planted evidence were always he-said-she-said, because when police writes a search report where they said you had something, then you have no way to challenge that.

May I add, fraud around those arrest/search reports (however they're called it English) is rampant. It starts with simple things, like notifying the subject about right to attorney. They just tick a box that you declined to summon attorney, and you have no way to challenge that, other than refusing to sign the paper, act of which carries no value.


He was arrested at a McDonalds. There will be footage of his presence and arrest from multiple angles.


We're deep, deep into speculation here. I'd wager that as the profile of the case goes up, so too does the dilligence and carefulness of the evidence chain of custody.


Not that I believe the evidence was planted, but we're also talking about small city police here. They're not generally used to high profile anything.


Why would they be pro bono? He comes from a very wealthy family.


There’s one lady who’s represented the Unabomber, Eric Rudolph, Boston bomber(s), and other less notable domestic terrorists.[1]

I’m sure there’s other like her who will work on high profile cases to gain recognition.

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Clarke


They're often not technically pro-bono. Clarke, for example, gets paid by the government, because they have a vested interest in not having cases overturned on appeal due to insufficient counsel.

https://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/judy_clarke_has_...

> Clarke would probably not want anyone to feel indebted to her. In fact, after the Smith case, she returned the $82,944 fee the state paid her, saying that other indigent defendants could use it more.


this will potentially be a self-defense case. since the shooter had chronic back pain, he could argue that shooting the ceo who denied his healthcare was his only means of protecting himself


That's not how criminal trials work. There are no free speech rights in court. Defendants can't just argue whatever they want. Judges have wide latitude to prohibit certain defenses and generally ban both the prosecution and defense from mentioning legally irrelevant points. Self defense is clearly codified under NY state law and this case doesn't even come close to meeting that standard.


There's zero chance of that.


he's looking for a spectacle. there's zero chance of it working, but 100% chance of garnering more media attention.


Lawyers tripping over each other to have their names associated with a potentially historic case. Remember how the Kardashian family originally became famous and some of them are billionaires now.


The Kardashians were already close to OJ pre-trial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kardashian

> Simpson was the best man at Kardashian and Kris Houghton's wedding in 1978.

> Following the June 12, 1994, murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, Simpson stayed in Kardashian's house to avoid the media. Kardashian was the man seen carrying Simpson's garment bag the day that Simpson flew back from Chicago. Prosecutors speculated that the bag may have contained Simpson's bloody clothes or the murder weapon.

> As one of Simpson's lawyers and a member of the defense "Dream Team", Kardashian could not be compelled or subpoenaed to testify against Simpson in the case, which included Simpson's past history and behavior with his ex-wife Nicole, and as to the contents of Simpson's garment bag.


> Remember how the Kardashian family originally became famous

Founding Movie Tunes?


That's a very fun fact. Thanks for sharing.




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