I think our culture (well, American, capitalist society is all I can really comment on) has a very strong implied link between income and worth/value. We have magazines that routinely have lists of the highest paid / richest people. People give incredible leeway to highly paid execs, as if due to the number of zeros on their paycheck they clearly have to be right/smart. There are sayings like "that decision was made above my paygrade", that seem to show there is a pretty tight linkage, mentally, between income and value as a human.
I don't agree with this mindset at all, mainly because I don't believe most organizations are truly meritocratic in any objective sense. It's a good PR story, but people, evolutionarily, tend to "look out for their own", for whatever traits puts someone in that in-group. I have seen many examples of people espousing meritocracy but clearly considering those with the most "merit" as being one in the same with "those they already seem to like", coincidentally enough. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, with balance. I think a 100% meritocratic org would be lacking in basic humanity and kind of a terrible place to work. All humans make mistakes, have struggles, have setbacks, etc...
Even with that being said, and me not believing in the income -> value/worth link in general, I would not be comfortable talking about my salary with most friends/family. I live a comfortable life with little stress about money, but bragging about that (which even trying to downplay it sounds like a humblebrag) seems wrong somehow.
I think the cultural thing is actually the reverse: Westerners including Anglo-Americans usually don't want to discuss money because they see it as a proxy for social hierarchies they profess disbelief in and orthogonal to self-worth.
On the other hand, in countries like India where salary is usually the third thing a complete stranger asks you about have a strong sense of social hierarchy and see frank discussion of income differences as an important part of establishing where they sit in it (and their potential for moving up). Meanwhile, I wasn't even mildly curious about how much they earned relative to me and their peers because it wasn't going to affect my perception of the conversation in the slightest, but was a little embarrassed that I could afford to spend months travelling in their country without having to do much to earn the privilege and a salary I'd been unhappy with was usually a large multiple of theirs.
I always viewed the "that decision was made above my paygrade" as mildly sarcastic in its implications.
>I would not be comfortable talking about my salary with most friends/family.
In my family, it was always taboo to talk about money --my father hardly ever discussed money with friends (that I recall). So it was instilled in me that "money-talk" was somewhat "vulgar". To this day, I can only guess my siblings' fiscal positions.
On the other hand, when I lived in the East (Asia), people there openly talked about money/salary, etc. It was one of the acceptable topics at personal intrductions, in addition to where are you from, what do you do and have you eaten.
That's interesting. I've never felt any reservation in talking about my income, except to coworkers. I just feel like it invites resentment if mine happened to be higher, even if on a sub-conscious level.
I don't agree with this mindset at all, mainly because I don't believe most organizations are truly meritocratic in any objective sense. It's a good PR story, but people, evolutionarily, tend to "look out for their own", for whatever traits puts someone in that in-group. I have seen many examples of people espousing meritocracy but clearly considering those with the most "merit" as being one in the same with "those they already seem to like", coincidentally enough. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, with balance. I think a 100% meritocratic org would be lacking in basic humanity and kind of a terrible place to work. All humans make mistakes, have struggles, have setbacks, etc...
Even with that being said, and me not believing in the income -> value/worth link in general, I would not be comfortable talking about my salary with most friends/family. I live a comfortable life with little stress about money, but bragging about that (which even trying to downplay it sounds like a humblebrag) seems wrong somehow.